Monday, February 8th, 2010

Is my Dog rejecting her pups? How do I help? Newborn puppy care?

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*This question is ideally for breeders with the actual experience of rejected pups*
*The pups are already born, so please leave ‘don’t breed’ comments at the door*
* I have absolutely no idea what I’m doing and have only vets and kind breeders words to go on – please help*
*p.s Make a cup of tea – my worry comes in the form of a long long message – thank you so much for your time and help!*
Back story: I trusted a family member to keep eyes on my 1yr old Pomeranian/jack russell cross when in heat – they failed their mission drastically and she got pregnant.
6 Pups were born 31/08 – 1/09,
one was still born (she gave birth to it without me seeing – SHE WAS SO QUIET – i think she crushed it while tending to the other 4 pups, i tried for 10 mins to resuscitate the pup back to no avail, even mouth to mouth –  very sad) *please save telling me how I could of saved this pup other ways cause it’ll break my heart and make me cry*
It may also be worth noting: 3 pups were born with sacks over their head – she thankfully allowed me help her without 2nd thought but it worried me that she didn’t instinctively go to remove the sacks I HAD to help her, she went straight for their cords unconcerned by their lack of breathing first…
We went to the vet on day 2 and he said she had done as well as she could have, examined her for left over placenta and gave her an antibiotic to help with milk let down. I also was concerned as she wasn’t drinking any water – I had to (and still have to) spike it with a drop of milk or mix it into her food. My worry being she wouldn’t produce milk, the vet mentioned bitches milk to me for the pups if needs be and said to give her some too, it wouldn’t do any harm. They had none there that day, only kitten feed.

I had initially left her alone with the pups in her whelping box, and she was fine. I checked on her regularly and came up to feed/water her every 2-3 hours day and night if for some reason I wasn’t with her anyway, she’s an extremely social pup and on day 2 started hopping downstairs – this was fine! She’d go out – wee – say a quick hello to everyone and run back up to the babies. If she wanted company she popped down and nodded at me to come back up with her – very cute and all perfect mothering in my head!
Day 3 however the visits began getting more and more long winded, so much so I decided to make her a day box downstairs where we could bring the puppies. She was delighted with this arrangement. She behaved downstairs as she would upstairs. Out to wee then straight back to the box, just happy she had people to rub her and say hello. That night she ran out of milk when the pups were feeding. Only 5 of her teats were working (2 were swollen and the pups wouldn’t drink the milk and one was simply dormant) 1 of the little guys caught a chill and went limp, we had to rub and rub him – quite tragic when there was no milk for him when he got warm again.
Yesterday is when serious worry set in for me and when I knew I needed advice of someone experienced.
First call of action was to get bitches milk. Our vet had said the main surgery had it. My sister did the trip so I wasn’t there 1st hand, but she returned saying they had no bitches milk, and the vet said it was fine to give them kitten milk instead. She made double sure the vet knew they were newborn’s and he again said it was fine. I’m EXTREMELY worried about this info simply because there was kitten milk in the vets the day I took her, and that vet said nothing of the sort and told me to go to their main practice to get the bitches milk. I tried the biggest pup with it and he had absolutely no interest. I gave Bo some and she loved it. Has anyone heard of pups being given kitten milk before? Is it actually safe? They’re dietary requirements are completely different! There’s no way I’d allow my dog to eat left over cat food never mind think of willingly giving it to them.
The next point of yesterday is where you’re all free to tell me what a terrible owner I am.
Obviously with all the excitement a lot of people have been in and out congratulating Bo (in case you haven’t gathered I’m not nor claim to be a breeder – Bo is my house pet along with her litter mate and best pal Smokey, and the Daddy Anouk, they’re my children! Anouk isn’t fixed as he is my sisters dog and she hadn’t gotten round to it – we adopted him when he ate 1 to many chickens on a farm near my sisters house. Smokey was done within a week of Bo’s first heat. He got at her and she needed the injections, hence my allowing her this litter at such a young age, I couldn’t put her through that again) And *dun dun daaaa* she (and I…) let everyone who came in give the pups a rub and get right on top of her box. My biggest concern is that someone she didn’t know before (friends mother) came in and while she was very aware of not touching them (she’d had mothering cats growing up) when one practically jumped into her hand she couldn’t resist anymore. I’m
Pomchi – Your response sucks and was of absolutely no relevance at all. Anyone tempted to state similar – don’t waste your time.
Single Worker and Roseali thanks a mill :-)
The most productive responses! Cheers (^_^)

Zaprudrr – thanks for the encouragement! (^_^)
At last some useful responses! Thank you so much people – it’s tough going trying to find breeders who are willing to part their knowledge! I often wonder how anyone became an experienced breeder when no-one seems willing to help! How learned them?!
Anyway – top answer was a tough choice. Thanks again all!

11 Responses to “Is my Dog rejecting her pups? How do I help? Newborn puppy care?”

Gina Says:

You dont hae to go to the vets to get milk supplement. You can go to a pet shop. If your from UK look for Lactol or Whelpi. The instructions on the back tell you how much powder to mix with water. If she is showing no sign of wanting to look after them you have got to do it and feed them every 2hrs or so. There is a kit at pets at home that has the feeding syringe and everything you will need. You will also have to stimulate them to go toilet by gently wiping a warm wet cloth over their privates till they go.

Keep a hot water bottle (well wrapped) or better yet a heating lamp or one of those bags of beads that you can put in the microwave to keep the pups warm. Get some vet bed for the pups to sleep onas it keeps them warm and is antibacterial and can be machine washed.
Keep the pups in a draught free area that can bemade dark and try to keep them somewhere that can be made quiet for them. They dont need all the socialisation noises yet. Move them somewhere with more hustle and bustle at about 4 weeks.

zaprudrr . Says:

Being through a similar situation, you have to be careful feeding them yourself. If you force the milk down their little throats you can cause fluid to go into their lungs and they will aspirate…give it to them slowly and every 2 hours..they have some good milk formula’s at the vets or if you can get ahold of some goats milk that is also very good.
I wish you all the luck, I know how hard and heartbreaking it is.

Single Worker 1230 Says:

Sounds like that there’s too much action around the whelping box. The whelping box needs to be placed in a quiet area with limited access to pets and other people. Both can cause a nervous, young mother to abandon the litter. The puppies can be touched but only by people that the mother dog knows. You also need to be concerned about diseases. So keep children, adults and other pets away from the whelping box for 10-14 days.

The puppies must be kept warm. Do NOT try and feed cold puppies. The milk will just rot in their stomachs and it will kill them. Kitten milk replacer will work fine. I’m almost betting that the mom does have enough milk. Puppies will not drink all that much after they are born. If the puppies are quiet and content, they are getting enough milk. The mother’s own milk is what’s best for the puppies. You may have to hold the mother down gently so that she will nurse the puppies. Sometimes the vet can give the mother a shot that will help with milk let down too. This is called oxytocin which is a hormone. So talk to your vet.

If you are going to hand feed puppies, tube feeding is actually better and safer. Have your vet or a good breeder in your area show you how. Also make sure that you rub their bottoms so that they properly eliminate.

R. Charles the Mohel Says:

Dogs are amazing animals, they have 1200 times the sence of smell as we do , their nose is a chemical lab by itself, having said that, here is the remedy that I suggest to my cuddly patients, milk the dog if she is still lactating (as much as you can ) rub the milk all over the pups away from her, let it dry (makes fr better senting) then while she sleeps put the pups back by her (keep a watchful eye) she will recognize her own scent and will cuddle them up, this should work.. try it. also the mothering instinct in dogs is very strong I’ve seen bitches adopt and nurse all kind of other animals, from kittens to pigletts etc..

Rosalie Says:

You’ve gotten great onformation from some of the other posters – I would add that you should also be very vigilant about her mammary glands, and check them twice a day. When they got stocked up like that, the remedy is to express what milk you can, and apply a warm compress several times a day, and make sure your biggest toughest puppies get on it and keep it drained.

The natural thing for owners new to having puppies is to bring everyone down into the action – as others have said, she needs to go back up into her ivory tower and stay there – here job is to be the mom, not a social butterfly. If you keep her in the kitchen, she will soon find it more attractive to go around looking for attention for herslef, and leave her puppies to fend for themselves. She’s got about 7 weeks to go.

Make sure you only take her down and out on a lesh, so she knows you are all business. She can have a little treat – but be careful not to give her anything spicy or odd, or she could end passing it on through her milk.

And make sure she has a small bowl of broth twice a day if not more, to keep those spigots running. The salt in it will entice her to drink more water, so also make sure she always has a fresh bowl of water, as well a big bowl of puppy chow in her room.

janet_james1948 Says:

Go to the pet store and but puppy formula and some puppy bottles mix like the directions say that way the puppies will have a chance. Good luck

Pomchi Breeders sell sick pups Says:

You know, with everything going on, I think a trip to an emergency vet is in order.

I would suggest a spay ASAP so accidents like this don’t happen. Now you know the importance of spaying at a young age. Have spay/neuter contracts drawn up for the puppies with a clause saying you are to come get the puppy if the new owner doesn’t do it by 6 months of age, and the new owner is to show you proof. Or don’t give them away until you’ve had them fixed, which is about six months away.

Talk to your sister about fixing her dog ASAP. Just “not getting around to it yet” is a lame, lazy butt excuse

Cara Says:

I am very sorry, but the whelping date is not clear….if it is Aug 31, and the pups are still there and trying to nurse…they are most likely fine. If they were not getting their mother’s milk…they would be dead. I don’t really see the need to give mother or pups anything else. If you wanted to give mama some milk just because she enjoys it….just buy regular canned milk. condensed milk. Mix it w/water more water than milk and put it w/her food. It sounds like she is doing fine. I don’t understand why you say she is rejecting them.
If she were….she would NOT run back to the box….she would have nothing to do w/them, that is not what I am hearing you say. If the pups have a little belly on them…they are nursing. Maybe you don’t know it….but they are….only way they could survive this long.
I would not let so many people come in around the new mother…that would be the first reason she may reject them. Too much handling from others.

TK at TMDF Says:

Whelping box is very good, but it should be placed within a larger pen. That way the mother is controlled now and the pups will be controlled when they’re old enough to wander about (underfoot if not penned). The ambient temperature inside the whelping box should be near 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Either place a heating pad under half the whelping box floor or place a heating lamp over one side of the box. Do not heat the entire box so mother and pups can move to a cooler side if need be.
There should be absolutely no one coming near enough to touch the puppies except you. Did all those visitors wash their hands? Remove their shoes? What kinds of germs and bacteria could they have unwittingly dumped onto those pups and the recovering mother. She is very susceptible to infection for another few weeks. Another good reason to place the whelping box within a pen. Also, the other pets need to be banned from a wide radius around the box.
Another writer suggested ways to obtain puppy formula. When you feed, the pup needs to be held as if it were lying on its stomach, with head very slightly elevated. Don’t make too large a hole in the nipple because the pup needs to suck. A large volume of formula gushing into his mouth will choke him. Also, warm the formula to body temperature. Shake the warmed formula and then dab a bit on your inner wrist or inner elbow to test that it isn’t too hot or cold before putting the nipple in the pup’s mouth.
Good luck.

APTS GRAB & HOLD-ON 2 YOUR HEART Says:

Well congratulations and I am sorry to hear about the problem. I know first hand how heart retching, emotional and physically draining this can get so when the mom and pups sleep you rest as well.

The tube feeding is the best way for what you are doing and you need to have someone show you the proper way. You do not want to a.) Get fluid in their lungs and b.) Let them become dehydrated. Either could kill them. If you don’t know how to check for dehydration, pick the skin up off the back of the neck or just the back to check for elastically. If it does not spring back almost immediately they are starting to get dehydrated and you will have to get a little more aggressive in giving them fluids. Increase the amount you are giving them and shorten the time in between feedings. Example if you are giving them 10cc every 3 hours, up it to 12-14cc every two hours. And call your vet for proper dosage.

Keep them and mom warm. Set up the box to be an incubator type situation but not so hot they get dehydrated. Keep all traffic out, except for you and one other person to fill in for you if you are gone or resting.

Hope this helped Good Luck and ask your vet or a friend if they know someone that might mentor you. It is not your fault or the puppies; you just need guidance and help.

Gemma Says:

HM, i don’t know much about this. So i would say go ask the vet for some advice and keep checking on her regularly like you are doing. Good luck.

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